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What If You Don't Want To Be A Leader?


Andrew

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Andrew

A couple of weeks ago, we started talking about or we did an episode on Does everyone have a purpose in life? And that's kind of stuck with me. And we talked to Brandon that came up. Maybe when we were recording? Maybe not. But just like the What's your purpose? And I think my marching orders for the last year on this podcast have been just do it, start making something now take ownership. And I was like, Well, what if that's not the thing for everyone? And so I've been thinking about like, Is everyone meant to be a leader? I found this article in Forbes, it's titled What if you don't want to be a leader. And it talks about different things. It's like maybe it's not meant for everyone. And maybe it's more of like, you need to figure out what your personality type is, and what you want to get out of life and maybe don't listen to my advice on just start a company and keep churning. I mean, I have a friend that her dream was to be the number two in a book club. She's like, I'm a great number two, and I'm good at assisting people. And I'm not a leader and hearing her say though, like why why would you? Why would you not want to be in charge. And it kind of makes me realize that I have a certain personality. And that's what I want to do. And that's not wrong. I think we both want different things in our life. But what do you I mean, what do you think? Have you ever been forced into a leadership role that you didn't want? You know, I


Larry

think that's a great example of someone knowing themselves like saying, Hey, I'm a good number to another number one, oftentimes, you


Andrew

just start your career and you don't know what you are. And then you get thrust into something that maybe you aren't, sometimes specifically when you're younger, and you haven't figured that out yet. So you're already in a hole. Well, and also everything that you see, especially now as you have gurus being like keep grinding, don't surround yourself with negative thoughts like you need to be the best. And everything that I feel like if I was a teenager right now I would see is that like, you need to be successful, you need to have a startup, you need to own your own business, you need to make more money. And the path to doing that is, is being a CEO or starting your own company or being the boss, and I don't think that's suited for everybody.


Larry

Well, you know, I feel like I say this a lot. But the reason you get bumped up the chain is because you're a good architect. But architects don't make great managers necessarily. So they make you a manager. And people are complicated, and you've don't fit, you fail at that. But you're still a great architect, you just aren't managing people well, so to know that you're not a great manager of people that by the way, that's not a failure, because people are really difficult.


Andrew

Yeah, I mean, it's not a failure in the scheme of life. But like, yeah, know what it would be like to tell your boss about, Hey, I appreciate the offer of promotion, I don't want it like that would take a very good leader to understand to accept that feedback. But also, they should know that you're not a good leader. So I think society or just the general site guys, to telling you, that's what you should be. And that's the path you should follow. Even if that's not who you are.


Larry

What path though, I totally understand what everything this is going but what path do you put yourself on? If you don't get promoted? Like you're just like, society, even your company all says, like, hey, if you don't go up the chain, we don't we don't have time for you anymore. You're done.


Andrew

Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know what the path is, I think maybe it's more finding piece of wood like you want to be doing because you don't have to manage people or become a leader to be successful. So I guess you have to define what success is for you. I have another friend that I remember talking. And she was saying, I don't really care about my title at work. But I feel like I need to get these promotions to keep pace with my friends. Like she does not want to be a leader. And so I guess I don't know what the answer is. Because my personality is keep going, start something new. If you're not happy, keep churning till you make butter. But like, that's not what everyone's path is. And I guess this is just me reflecting on. I keep telling people to do stuff, but maybe, maybe don't maybe go for a walk, maybe Enjoy your family, maybe enjoy the outside and you don't have to worry about stuff.


Larry

You know, leadership's a really tricky one managing people. Like for instance, like, I'm never gonna manage anybody. I'm in radio I did a long time ago. I love it because I love people, but I'm never gonna do it. But I do have to be a leader in my house. Like I do have to manage all of the personalities. And sometimes I forget like, oh, wait a minute, that is leadership and being a dad, being a leader managing them all his leadership, and so you know, you You can't ever just Well, some people, I guess good can't ever just shrug leadership completely. Whether your church maybe or whatever, you got to lead somebody.


Andrew

I mean, I guess yourself unless you're single, and you just don't interact with single hermit. I mean, I guess I'm curious, why will Why will you never be a leader like if you get given the opportunity say, your boss quits or whatever and says, Hey, I want you to run the station or whatever the next step is, I don't really know radio that well, when you turn it down, or you just like, taking the fact that well, it's probably not gonna happen. So I'm gonna say it's not


Larry

probably would turn it down just from the standpoint of I really like being on the radio, and my boss is not on the radio, she manages radio people, so I like the creative aspect to be on the radio. So I've kind of taken this route. She's no longer she started on the radio, but that's not a that's not a path path anymore.


Andrew

So yeah, I mean, I guess you have to make that realization, I guess my personality to be like, I want I'm gonna do both.


Larry

You know, she does sometimes do both, you know, um, I just had this real passion for good leaders. We have this friend, Matt Walker, who does, he's pretty high up in the nonprofit. And I think the one thing leaders do real well, as they don't just do the job. They look out for people. And the one thing Matt does really well, he looks out for the people that volunteer, he looks out for his staff, he looks out for everybody. And I think that's what great leaders do. They don't just look at the job that said, they look at how everybody does the job. By the way. Not all leaders do that, because some are bad. But I think that a good leader takes the 5000 foot view and has an idea of what everybody's doing.


Andrew

Yeah, I think that's interesting that I haven't done a study on it. But it seems like nonprofits would have the probably the most extreme mix of good leaders that are just like, they couldn't get a job. And so they are they're not that great. Or there's people like Matt, who could probably be successful in India, any industry. And then like, you look at probably private equity, and people are maybe drawn towards that leadership more towards getting the eight figure paycheck. And maybe that's not the best reasons to do it.


Larry

And you know, and also think there's no rhyme or reason to it. I the one sports analogy I can make Jim john Harbaugh was the coach of the Baltimore Ravens. He was literally just the special teams coach, you know, typically you become like a coordinator, assistant head coach bowl while he was just like this low level special teams coach, but the General Manager's like, Man, this guy's got leadership qualities when he comes on the field, you can tell. So, you know, sometimes you don't have to be on the path, someone could pluck you out of the path and you just because you have potential and people can see that.


Andrew

Now, I guess. For me, this is more just a reflection on not everyone wants to do it. I'm doing and not stop telling everybody to just do it. I feel like I'm gonna forget this and tell everyone tomorrow.


Larry

I feel like you're going backwards. I like when you say Just do it. I don't like when you're like just do it. Me. I don't like that in me.


Andrew

I don't like any. I just see all the Instagram influencers about like Gary Vee. Like, just speaking in platitudes. And I think you do have to look inside and be like, Well, what do I want? And what are my strengths? And I think there's a lot of leaders out there that shouldn't be in that position.


Larry

Just that like when your boss Hey, we want to promote you to the head of West Coast be like, you know what, I? I think I'm gonna pass


Andrew

I think I'm gonna pass. I'm gonna focus on me a little bit. Well, if you want a copy of Chicken Soup for the Soul, please reach out and find us at repost the podcast on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. I made the killer for Adam Sandler saying thanks for stopping by



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