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What does it mean to try too hard?


Andrew

This is re posted.


Andrew Keller

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Larry

W. Timothy Galloway has written a lovely series of books, Mr. Keller, the inner game of skiing, the inner game of golf, the inner game of music and a 1977 best thriller, The inner game of tennis. Our quote comes from that lovely book today from Mr.


Andrew Keller

Galloway. It feels like it feels like it could be the inner game of country club sports.


Larry

Yeah, inner game. It's true. Haven't we've been told since childhood? That we're never going to amount to anything unless we try hard. So what does it mean, when we observe someone who's trying too hard? Is it best to try medium hard? So yes, tennis, of course, is about physical prowess. But there's also a mental aspect to a great book if you pay attention. Sometimes when old school people are given speeches, you'll hear people rent first it references book, it's kind of like somewhat famous. As an aside. I feel like every everyone in San Francisco is playing tennis right now. It's really hard to get a tennis court, me and my son have kind of taken up a sport anyways. Most people agree that if you really want to succeed at something, you should probably work hard at whatever that would be. At the same time as this quote alludes to. We've all seen people trying to work too hard. So we all know that the person, all that person in the office that's like grinding to like 10 o'clock at night, my broadcast career, I was working really hard to make something of my career early on. I also see like, I feel like we see this a lot with moms. They want to pack the perfect lunch for their kid. Is their kid getting into the perfect school. So Andrew Keller all that to say, can you work too hard? Well, yeah, you


Andrew Keller

could definitely work too hard. I don't know, I never confirmed this story. But we have a friend who went to business school, Dr. Professor lecture, Pete ackerson was saying someone that he went to business school with, she had a heart attack on the trading room floor when she was 28. I feel like people that work on Wall Street corporate litigation lawyers, or even labor's like, if you you need to write you need to take time for yourself. You can work too hard. But I mean, there's you have to find a balance because there is working too hard. And there's also like not not trying hard enough. I mean, Kobe Bryant did he worked too hard?


Larry

I feel like in the business, we call that are you gripping? Like you're trying so hard. You're so wrapped around something. And your body, you just overdo it. And whatever that would be me. I mean, for instance, like I am a horrible golfer. And the more I try hard, the worse I am at it. I mean, the thing about golf, which is really simple, right? If you hit the ball right in the middle of the club, it's gonna go the furthest. But the harder you swing, the harder is to get the ball in the middle of that Big Spot sweet spot in the golf. So you have to not swing as hard.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I guess. Trying hard is kind of a getting splitting hairs on the language of it. Like you just need to practice a lot. Like you're right. Golf, I have this thing where I got my practice, swing nice and easy, nice and easy, I guess the top of my backswing in my mind as far as goes 50 yards. So yeah, and then you also see people who you're like, oh, man, that guy's trying way too hard. And you're like, it's, it's a turn off. Like if, if you're if I was interviewing someone, or I wanted to work with someone, and you could tell that they really, really want and you're like, I don't know if like, I want to work with that person. But it's also a good quality. I can, I mean, there's been lots of times I'm like that person's thirsty. That's a term that we use a lot. It's like they're really thirsty, and they're trying really hard. And I check in six months later, and they're doing great. So it's a balance. It's Don't be a lunatic, which,


Larry

which is funny because you know, whenever you're selling something, that there's a swap meet or a house, you always you never want to act like you're super interested in it. You don't want to like overdo it, because then that person knows they can sell to you for whatever cost you want. You don't you want to be like, take it or leave it.


Andrew Keller

Maybe you don't but you want to give that attitude. They talked about that a lot in acting. And there's a show on HBO, Barry, where Bill Hader his character goes in for an audition. And he like kind of, he's like, oh, reads through it. And he's like, you know what, I gotta leave and left. And I mean, there was a heightened version of it, but the casting director and the director like who He, he's really interesting. Who


Larry

is he that he didn't try at all. And so that's like a feedback you get a lot on acting is like don't try in the audition, but also you need to be prepared. So it's what do you do in this story? In this book, this Galloway is talking to this hitting coach. And he's telling like, he's, he's obviously worked with a lot of people playing tennis, you know, country clubbers, whatever, whatever. And, you know, people really want to do well, even if it's just for fun to play tennis, and they're trying to learn they're smacking the ball, and you just get into their heat, and he pulls them aside says, Hey, when you hit the ball, just try to focus on the seams of the ball. Don't try to kill it just like gives them one tiny little thing that they can do, to maybe kind of relax and just play tennis as opposed to trying really hard at tennis.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I think maybe the most relatable example we can give is surfing, is you get out there. Because so many people served, that was a joke. And I tried really hard on that one. And it didn't land. Like in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, a guy trying to learn how to surf. He's like does do us do us and I mean, Surfing is like you have to find that sweet spot. Or even trying to ride a bike. Like if you can remember what read it riding a bike is like, if you try really hard and you think too much, you might fall over or if you try really hard to catch the wave, you're not gonna get up. So it's trying.


Larry

Listen, I know this is definitely a bingo card square. But I keep coming back to them. You're British improv rapper. And he was saying, if you try hard to improv wrap, your brain won't do it. But if you relax, and let the words and your brain make connections, you'll be introduced. So getting out about a surfboard, if you relax. If golfing if you relax, your brain will allow the connections to come.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, and I think it's a lot of times why people get tongue tied around celebrities, like oh, I want to impress this person. It's calming your nerves. It's Yeah, just if you want to play tennis, you just need to relax. I mean, Roger Federer is the most chill person I've ever met.


Larry

And he's really good at tennis. That joke, that joke landed well, dry and dry. The last thing I'll say about this, you know, we've all seen those people that work too hard. And the point is, why are you trying so hard? Like, do you know yourself? Are you trying to prove something to yourself? Your parents, the boss? Like, why are you working so hard? And then maybe you can untangle that to get to the real reason of what you're doing?


Andrew Keller

Yeah, you're ending this. You're trying to end this episode, and I'm not gonna lie to you. What do you tell your kids? Like? Do you tell them to try harder at school? Do you tell them just relax and the calculus will come to you?


Larry

You know, my main things for class for them are paying attention and being respectful. I know from genetics, that at least 50% is going to come from their mom and she tries really hard. Yeah. I don't know what they get. But there's tryhard in my kids, and it comes from my wife. She tries way too hard.


Andrew Keller

And it's it's obvious, I think, yeah, it's obvious and someone's trying too hard. Well, if you play rugby and you want to score a try, please reach out. You can find this every posted podcast, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. I'm Andrew Keller for the San Francisco quotes and thanks for stopping by



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