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Pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart.


Andrew

This is re posted.


Andrew Keller

Every morning Larry and I dig into a form or idea that has caught our eye. Our hope is that our chat inspires you to never stop thinking and possibly challenges you in a new way. If you'd like to help support the show, please visit patreon.com slash reposted. Thank you for stopping by. Well, about a year ago, friend of the show, Kristin yarbro sent us a quote. And on the one year anniversary, she sent us another quote, this one is from the ancient Greek author, often described as the father of tragedy escalus he said, He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. I say so many versions of this, I think you might have to but like there's no self growth without going through pain. And I kind of like this idea that even if you don't want to get over something, I mean time heals everything and this the idea that while you're sleeping your your soul is being healed within so I think this is interesting and and I just like the idea that no matter what happens, things are gonna get better.


Larry

I want someone to give this as like a wedding toast, like old school, just like you know, crickets afterwards. Whoever learns must suffer in your wedding. Your marriage. gonna suffer a lot, everybody. Yeah, I mean, the whole thing with life is right. You can't really learn something unless you have discomfort, right? Nobody no human being goes like, you know what, my life is great. I think I'm going to change something you the only way to learn something is if your discomfort and lots of times pain, tragedy. All of that is when we learn the most. So yeah, of course, you got to have bought badness to have goodness.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I think people always like the idea that like it's the matrix where you plug it in and you learn a language like you don't say, I'm going to learn the piano and sit down and play Rachmaninoff. It's like, you play, you learn where middle C is. And then you struggle and you try to read and it becomes muscle memory, I found this summary of this quote is make your lifelong learning journey more akin to long distance endurance event and suffering a sprint, which is like, Alright, well, everything I'm going to do is it's going to be a grind. It's like, have you ever run more than a 5k? Yep. Yeah, just like I'm the farthest I've ever done is a half marathon. It's just like, all right, I don't really have a choice. I'm going to keep going. And you just keep going. And that's kind of how learning is. And I guess if you if you quit, or you decide you don't want to do it anymore, you're gonna you're just gonna be a crappy person.


Larry

Yeah, I mean, essentially, once again, to achieve anything, you have to have some commitment. If you want to learn a language or you want to learn the piano like me right now would be time away from my family, or whatever it is. If you want to learn something, if you you have to put the time into it. The funny one word for this for me, and this one is the word awful. It comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God, which I kind of did a little bit of research and they say awful, really doesn't mean like awful in the sense we think of it means sort of just beyond our understanding. It's not really God because I Sykes I seek Lee's, or whatever his name was, was way before Jesus in the whole thing. It was just this idea of that learning is way beyond our understanding. And if we want to, we have to, like kind of give it away.


Andrew Keller

That's interesting.


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Andrew Keller

is beyond our learning. One extreme example, I can think of it I was in a fraternity in college and yes, during what they call Hell Week is this thing that they made us try to memorize and we were sleep deprived and we just like no one could get it right. It was this. It was the What time is in surgery. The unfortunate unforeseen circumstances beyond my control, the inner workings and hidden hidden mechanisms, my chronometer are no longer available. The time is one tick two seconds, three minutes beyond the hour of whatever, we could not get that. And after we were, we became members of the fraternity. We went to sleep I slept for 12 hours, every single person went through hell week you wake up and you never forget that and so it's like, somehow that thing is just embedded in me. And it's by the awful grace of God, I suppose.


Larry

You know, Alex are interesting with fraternities, right? Because there's no way you can succeed. Like, there's a part of you things like if we just memorize this line, they're gonna stop yelling at us. But the whole point is, they're not there's nothing you do you they're setting you up to fail and they want you to fail. And so then how like in that vein, how in your life when we do have difficult moments do you say like, I want to learn from this right or your parents don't Your kid dies or something horrible habits do you do in life? how then do you say like, I want to learn from this moment right now?


Andrew Keller

Yeah, tell you your natural instinct is to get in the fetal position or right away. It's like you need to plant your feet and face the storm head on or, or whatever, whatever it is.


Larry

Yeah. Because Because the human, our human concept is to try and make things as easy as possible. Like our brains are wired once again on Serengeti, to not get eaten by the tiger. So let's stay in the cave. Let's make things safe. But as we've been talking about, the only way to learn anything is to be uncomfortable. Yeah,


Andrew Keller

I think one of the most common things that you hear happens to people, this was never me, but a kid steals a pack of gum from the grocery store. And the parent is like, oh, where'd you get that? And they make them go back to the store manager and say, Hey, I stole that, like, every single person I know that's ever happened to like, remembers that very well. And that's like an uncomfortable conversation you have to have. But theoretically, you would learn something from it. It's definitely memorable.


Larry

Yeah, and this cool to kind of brings up like our, you know, my family, we live in San Francisco. And there's really nothing easy about living in San Francisco. I mean, you walk out your house, there's homelessness, there's trash, people doing rugs, I mean, I have my I'm raising my three kids here. But every time you walk out the door, you're reminded of all of these things. Like it's easy to not have homelessness in the suburbs, because that's not where homeless people go. But so you can sort of block out that there is homeless or all the other problems that come in the urban environment. So it's funny, I don't necessarily think it's for everybody. But we're always reminded that life is hard in the urban elements. And by the way, when we get a parking spot, when we go to the Walnut Creek to the world, we're like, ooh, parking so nice to get parking lots What a great idea.


Andrew Keller

parking lots feel good. I mean, yeah, your kids will go on at some point in their life to live somewhere different. Maybe we're just being a different point in their life. And like this says, against their own will, they're going to have wisdom on street smarts, living in an urban area. And the same goes for if you grew up on a dairy farm, like against your will you have the built into you the the grit or whatever, to get up at 4am to milk the cows, that that's something your kids don't have. So I like this idea that no matter how you live your life against your will, and you're going to you're going to gain wisdom on something even if you're not trying to learn you're gonna learn something.


Larry

I never heard this quote before. I really like it. And then I was reading a little bit in 1968, then Senator Robert Kennedy, use this quote on the night of the assassination of Martin Luther King, he read this quote and said, and sort of use that as the connection I was like, wow, painful, powerful.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, the Kristen when she shared this, she said, well go cry your eyes out. Now. I've shared this. Thank you. Well, if you're listening to this show, and you're crying pullover, you can you can call us, or give us a call, pick up your call me or call Larry, personnel manager for the Greek tragedies and thanks for stopping by


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