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Nothing to win, nothing to prove.


Andrew

This is re posted.


Andrew Keller

Every morning Larry and I dig into a form or idea that has caught our eye. Our hope is that our chat inspires you to never stop thinking and possibly challenges you in a new way. If you'd like to help support the show, please visit patreon.com slash reposted. Thank you for stopping by.


Larry

83 year old Anthony Hopkins with his win at the most recent Oscar awards became the oldest person to win the coveted Best Actor Award for his role in the movie. The Father, did you see the father? I didn't see the Father. Did


Andrew Keller

you watch the Oscars?


Unknown Speaker

I didn't watch the Oscars.


Unknown Speaker

All right.


Larry

I heard there was a great documentary film that one.


Andrew Keller

Yeah. Well, the ending of the Oscars is hilarious, because they didn't think Anthony Hopkins was was gonna win. They switch the order and like gave the award assuming Chadwick boseman was going to win. And they were going to have someone except in his remembrance, and they announced Anthony Hopkins and like, well, he's not here tonight. And it was super awkward. super awkward.


Larry

Interesting. Well, okay, well, having said that, I did go watch the trailer for the Father. It looks like an interesting movie, I think I might see. Anyways, Anthony Hopkins was interviewed by GQ magazine recently, on the subject of happiness. In the article, he gives this quote, I have a saying, nothing to win, nothing to prove nothing to win, nothing to lose no sweat, no big deal. Because there are no big deals, we make big deals of our lives. And that's the freedom I have, which keeps me I don't know if the word is happiness, but free. So Anthony Hopkins tells us that he doesn't have the word happiness, he lives free. Is he just saying that because he's 83 years old is a two time Oscar winning word guide is at the end of his life. And he's like, yeah, happiness is freedom. I mean,


Andrew Keller

I think it's easier for him to say that because he's 83. And he's very successful in his career and kind of, could do whatever you want. But I bet you he's subscribed to that throughout. I mean, like, I think that I don't always practice it. I mean, the most practical example of this, to me is in dating, like, if you if you if you have if you go in needy, if you go on a date with someone or you're interested in someone, you pursue them very needy, you're going to come across as undesirable. So if you, the people that play it cooler, generally are going to do better. mean that once again, applies to like, lots of things like obviously getting a job if you go in there, and bibble it's not the right word, but it's like right on the border of like, you know,


Larry

I don't need this job. I want this job. Do you think you happiness has to have perspective? Like, is it can it just exist in a vacuum like, for instance, in his article, Anthony Hopkins said he lived through World War Two and watched England get bombed. So therefore he knew we were gonna get through this pandemic, can happiness be lived just in a vacuum? I


Andrew Keller

don't think we lived in a vacuum. Because your happiness I think is in contrast to something you've already done like, it's a hot happiness is a high and it means you're elevated from something before and so if you have nothing to compare it to No, no hardships, then I don't think you can actually experience happiness in this hypothetical vacuum.


Larry

He goes on to say in this article that they asked him like, what do you feel like when you feel happiness and he says something like, I'm not jumping up and down when I'm happy. And I thought at that time when Tom Cruise is on Oprah's couch, and he's jumping up and down talking about Katie, whatever her name was, I was like this. He's like, freaking out.


Andrew Keller

He was jumping up and down talking about Scientology. Now Katie Holmes, I think is talking about Katie Holmes. Oh, wow. We're gonna have to take a look back.


Larry

Like this, this very specific, but for you like what is happiness feel like?


Andrew Keller

Oh, it was so good. It feels like when the heroin first goes in my veins. Ah. I mean, like, how do you describe happiness? I mean, it's when something I've worked for come comes true or something I've wanted, like becomes manifested. I don't know if that's the right word. But I'm guessing you and I experience happiness differently? Do you have a way to verbalize how you experience it?


Larry

Um, I could get to that in a second. But my idea is this like happiness should be when you're like looking at your like newborn baby or something like that. I definitely have these moments where I like, I don't really remember what my kids look like when they were really little. That that I mean, I feel like that's the great answer of like, looking at your newborn baby is happiness. But when you have a newborn baby, you're so damn tired. You're exhausted and then you got to work. And then you're never going to sleep again. It's really hard to like take take in that moment of general epitome of happiness because you're so damn tired.


Andrew Keller

So is what you're saying. I've never experienced happiness yet because I don't have a baby.


Larry

No, no, but I'm just using that like as an example. Like, for instance, you were saying like you work so hard for something and then you You get it. But like, maybe that's, you know, putting your house together or as an actor going and finally making it but you're so tired, that you can't really enjoy the thing that you actually completed. Oh,


Andrew Keller

yeah, I mean, I think there's examples of that. Happiness is such a subjective concept that it's hard to say that, like, what I don't even know what the happiest moment of my life is. Oh, that's it. You have three kids, and you have a marriage, or one of those for the happiest moment of your life?


Larry

Ah, yeah, I mean, definitely. I mean, the cheesy answer is saying when your kids are born, right, but once again, you're so tired, and there's so many. It's like, I said, this example all the time. If you've ever been skydiving, they throw you out the plane, and you're just experiencing so many things all at once. It's hard to just put into words what you just felt, I think, to really enjoy skydiving, like five times, so that you can like, Oh, that's what happens. But if you do it once, it's just so much. So I have three kids. So I should understand having a kid better out.


Andrew Keller

Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess to the throwing you out of a plane or skydiving example. I don't know. I think that's more of like being in a flow state where you only focus on what you're doing like what surfers say they get when they catch a rip Riptide. I don't know what surfers do. Or like f1 Formula One drivers like you can only think about that one thing when you're in it, which I think is maybe a little bit different than happiness.


Larry

Yeah, and you know, that's funny, because if you're we talked about this about pictures, right. But if you're truly in the zone with some sport or surfing, for instance, you can't recreate that, like you can only have that feeling while you're doing it. And then that's why people keep doing it because they want the feeling again, so it's hard to not feel that when you're not doing it.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, and they chase it. This has nothing to do with the quote, but I heard Howie Mendell being interviewed recently. And he has he's famous for having lots of anxiety. And he was saying he used to when he was on tour. As a comedian, it made sense to have a private jet and Mike just to feel something he would tell the pilots to go into a nosedive. And that way, like, he's an adrenaline junkie, because he just wants to forget about the world that he's living in. Which is, I think, hilarious. You know, I


Larry

it is an interesting example, back to Anthony Hopkins, he's 83 years old. He's a very accomplished actor. He's actually really good at what he does. And he says that he always just enjoyed the work, he really enjoys being an actor. And so maybe it's that simple. Maybe if he wouldn't have gone on to be a famous guy. He would have enjoyed acting at his local theater. And that would have been enough for him.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I mean, I think that's it. Everyone says, If you love what you do, you never work a day in your life. And if you are, if you're doing something that you would do no matter what, then you have nothing, nothing to win and nothing to prove. Like if you want to be a carpenter and whether or not you're getting hired, like you love working with your hands. It doesn't matter because you're going to keep doing it anyway. But if you put your self worth or you pin your happiness to if x happens, then you have something to win and something to prove.


Larry

So our good friend who comes on the show, Brandon noble, if 100,000 people listen to his podcast or to listen to his podcast, it doesn't matter. He's doing what he loves to do.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, and we only do this for the money. So that's the difference between us and the podcast how I got that way. Well, if you think you're happy, hello friend that you liked the show. If Mary's not happy, I am. Find us on social media reposting podcast, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. I mean Andrew Keller for Brandon doble, Sam.


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