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In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few.


Andrew

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Andrew Keller

Every morning Larry and I dig into a form or idea that has caught our eye. Our hope is that our chat inspires you to never stop thinking and possibly challenges you in a new way. If you'd like to help support the show, please visit patreon.com slash reposted. Thank you for stopping by.


Larry

Okay, Mr. Keller, how do you wake up? Is it like the world is gonna happen today? And I get to be a part of it or is it like, Man, I'm gonna hit the snooze button five times. Eat Cheerios, go to work, come home, eat dinner with the fam. watch some Netflix and go to sleep for you answer that. Let me read you today's quote from the beginner's mind. shunryu Suzuki. In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities, but in the experts mind, there are a few. How do you wake up Mr. Keller?


Andrew Keller

I stopped snoozing. Probably 15 years ago, I whenever I wake up, I don't hit the snooze button. I might stay in bed. But I feel like the snooze button is a waste of time because you're just waiting for it to go off again. It does. It's not good sleep. Also, I don't think I've ever had Cheerios in my life. But I mean, I think my days are a little bit different. Sometimes like today, I didn't wake up thinking I was going to take on the world. But sometimes I wake up, get out of my cold shower, and I'm ready to do anything and just tack on my list. I think you're a snoozer, but with your work. I


Larry

don't know if you can. So what do you do? It's more of the idea. Do you wake up every day thinking, you know what? Anything could happen today? Or you know what the same old baloney is gonna happen.


Andrew Keller

More times than not I say anything that could have anything can happen. I was thinking my personality is more of, I don't think something's going to happen. I have to make it happen. So let's start working towards making it happen rather than waiting for it to happen. But sometimes I have off days, I'm curious I got is this saying having the beginner's mind is better than being an expert is worse? Like, how do you interpret this?


Larry

I interpret it is like, what is your mindset of Do I still need to learn things? Or do I know at all? Like, is your mind open to whatever the universe might teach you? Or as you've gotten older, you're like, you know, I know all that I need to know. And nothing's gonna change me anymore.


Andrew Keller

I mean, I guess I could take a strong angle on on both sides of this. Because I mean, I think there is a benefit in being an expert, is you're going to do something more efficiently and you're going to do it better. Like I think about an expert finished carpenter, like knows the best way to get the cuts done right for his wood. But like, in a more macro sense, being a beginner is a better way. I go back to this example a lot. But when I worked in construction, we tried to have more remote working and the guys that were quote, experts that had 30 years of experience, it's not possible to do construction remotely. Lo and behold, 2020 proves that managing construction can be done that way. So I think the expert has somewhat of a disadvantage, but also an advantage of like doing it correctly, as opposed to trying many possibilities the wrong way.


Larry

Little dig, dig, dig a little deeper into this quote from Shin raizel. Suzuki, an empty mind is already mind. If your mind is empty. It's always ready for anything. It's open to everything. In the beginner's mind. There are many possibilities. In the experts mind, there are a few. So when I say like, you know, are you open like, Hey, man, anything could happen today. I could learn something new. I could get a new promotion like this, it seems like the road of possibilities are wide open. And that also means from learning something like that Carpenter analogy, like, Hey, you know what's, uh, you might bump into another carpenter, they might give you a tip and be like, man, I don't need your new tip. But it might be it might save you time.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I guess maybe my take could be that. Always yourself. Have the beginner's mind. Never assume you're an expert, but seek out experts advice. So they might, you know, like, if you're going to do a project, if I was going to regrout my bathroom, I wouldn't call you up because you're a beginner and be like, well, you have the beginner's mindset, like what should my approach be? I think the beginner's mindset is more of a macro view for who you should be, but you should seek out others advice.


Larry

You know, experts are, you know, kind of an interesting thing, kind of like a bigger picture idea of this and Christopher Columbus Day, all the scientists said the world was flat, and he pushed back on all them and said it wasn't and he proved them wrong. Same with Galileo. Everybody, the scientists of that day, the experts of that day, said the earth everything revolves around the earth and he was like, Hey, man, I got a telescope. That's not right. Sometimes the experts want to do things a certain way because they've gotten used to it. And it takes a beginner's mind to kind of push that and say like, Hey, no, it doesn't have to be that way. I mean, yeah, there's


Andrew Keller

there's obvious examples that in the auto industry, Detroit was like, well, we're gonna go bigger, faster, less fuel efficient in Japan really hadn't made good guitars had made cars before and they start doing it better. And then flash forward, I guess, the mid 2000s? Oh, yeah, electric cars aren't going to be they're not possible. And now it seems like in the near future, maybe only electric cars are going to be manufactured. So always be innovating is as good.


Larry

I also think, along with his beginner's mindset, there's some sort of naivety, like his kids, my kids, they still think that they can be President of the United States. But then you get old and grumpy and realize the world is fated for those people that go to Ivy League schools and come from good heritage and dadadada da, but they still believe you know what, anything is possible. I could be president united states, whereas I know that's not possible.


Andrew Keller

Do you tell that to their face? Hey, no, no, no,


Larry

no, no, no, I let them I think, Hey, man,


Andrew Keller

I really, I've come to this, I'm in a good spot my life. I'm a man have your naivety as long as you can. I mean, but for some people, it's not going to be an I have a tape because like people that say they're going to play professional sports, statistically, they're not going to but someone is and so I think there's the the hope for changing and but but I think also, I don't know why I'm taking the experts side so much, but the world kind of functions because we have experts and because their systems and process and we want people challenging them and thinking outside the box, but like for a day today, being able to function and being able to have systems in place. You need the experts like Elon Musk came up with this concept. He didn't come up with a concept. He has Tesla. He's the big thinker at Tesla and in the cars. But I would guess that the chief engineer is like very much an expert and like, isn't thinking outside of the box of physics or that. So I think that the experts are important, but go back to just always challenge stuff is maybe what I take from this.


Larry

Well, the old thing about Eli Musto, right here, at one point had the beginner's mind like, Hey, man, we don't there is not a good, fast driving electric car, we got to be able to do this, like he had that like nobody else is doing it, we got to be able to create this, we got to be able to make a, by the way, a space company for the first time run by the private sector, like he had that idea of like, nobody else is doing it. Maybe we could do it.


Andrew Keller

I feel like you say this all the time. If everyone's digging, maybe you should zag. And so it's like Uber, Airbnb, all these things that like, there's a void, and the traditional wisdom says that it's not possible. And maybe when the traditional wisdom says it's not possible, then you should try to figure out a way to do it or challenge someone to


Larry

I definitely feel like Aristotle also said this. The more you know, the more you realize you don't know. And I feel like I certainly have sort of gravitated to that the older I've gotten.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I mean, I remember times as a teenager telling my parents that they were wrong and you'd like get further on into life for stupid things, but I guess that's for a different show. Well, if you want to figure out how to divide by zero, please reach out. You can find us at repost a podcast on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. I'm Andrew Keller for the pink scarf, saying thanks for stopping



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