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If to correct you must humiliate; you don't know how to teach.


Andrew

This is re posted.


Andrew Keller

Every morning Larry and I dig into a form or idea that has caught our eye. Our hope is that our chat inspires you to never stop thinking and possibly challenges you in a new way. If you'd like to help support the show, please visit patreon.com slash reposted. Thank you for stopping by. Well, I thought it would be fun to have a little bit of a storytime today I came across this fable. I don't know if it's called a fable. Anyway, the the gist of it is this guy runs into an old man and said, Hey, do you remember me? And I was like, No. He said, used to be my teacher. And he just said, what do you do now I became a teacher. Because if you basically this student stole a watch from his friend. And the main the older guy was made everyone circle up and close their eyes. And he checked everyone found the watch, gave it back to the person but never ousted the guy. He's like, do you remember that it was me in the teacher said no, I had my eyes close to, I just want to remedy the situation. all that to say is if to correct you must humiliate. You don't know how to teach. I think last week we were talking about the sports coaches who are nuts and get up in your face. So I think you can still be crazy like that. But psychology and history has taught us that if you humiliate someone, it's going to have more of a negative effect. You're more of a teacher than I am with three kids. How, how do you think about this?


Larry

I gotta be honest, I couldn't get past the fact that this teacher was blindfolded and going through students pockets. I was like, in this day and age like a blindfolded teacher had blindfolded kids and started rifling through everybody's pockets. That would not go well. I get on world.


Andrew Keller

I don't think that's the point of the story. I think the point of the story is I get,


Larry

you know, my my thought about this is that there's a gazillion ways to teach kids, right? I mean, this certainly was effective for this one student. But I mean, he could have taught that a gazillion different ways responsibility, or whatever it is. I love when teachers think outside the box, right? I think that's it was a cool exercise. But who knows that one kid didn't get offended by this like, and say like, you should have outed them in front of everybody. So that we would know you shouldn't steal? I don't know. I like it. It's out of the box. But there's I just feel like there's all sorts of different ways to teach. And none of them are bad. They're just, you know, they all have a perspective.


Andrew Keller

Right? Yeah. I mean, there are different ways to learn lessons, because, yeah, pessimistic or whatever side of me is like, well, maybe the lesson is, if you steal and you get caught, there's no consequences. So there's exactly the lesson to learn. Maybe you need to bring out the switch and beat him over the face. Like there's different ways to teach it. But yeah, I like that's a good way to summarize is thinking outside the box and not. I guess maybe don't be quick to anger when you're trying to teach a lesson and like, spiteful


Larry

and vengeful like you want to you want to teach him a lesson the hard way? No, I like that. Like, don't be quick to make judgments. The other one about this is have you ever have you I've started kind of ish, reaching out to old teachers, because no offense like by third grade teachers get a die soon.


Andrew Keller

So I've kind of like this idea of reaching out to people that have taught you you've never wanted to do that. No, I have wanted to do that. But third grade was a specific grade to keep in touch with. Well, they always say you know, your teachers like how do you know that? No, no, I


Larry

haven't I say I want to my mom is sort of knows some of those people kind of back in the day. I'd be like, Hey, will you find Mrs. Stephens? email for me? And she'll be like, I'm there. Mrs. Stephens is dead. I'm like, dang it.


Andrew Keller

Do you want to do this, but you haven't reached out to any of them yet? No,


Larry

I do. I want to start being like, hey, but yeah, I'm a little slow. I got some stuff on my plate.


Andrew Keller

So if I asked you again, tomorrow, if you've reached out to these teachers, you'll say yes.


Larry

Like, how do you find Mrs. Stephens from Ocean View Elementary School, like you Google her? And she'll maybe you'll get any I mean, you know, it's kind of random, right? from someone 40 years ago?


Andrew Keller

Ah, I mean, maybe I think that I don't think it's very hard to find people nowadays, but I guess everybody gets through their own way. Yeah, that's, it's thinking back on different teachers I had. I don't know who maybe the most influential one was. Maybe I wasn't a good student. Maybe I didn't accept things as well. Like, how do you learn what makes you learn?


Larry

Well, the thing that I like about this story is that the teachers that I loved the most were the ones that thought differently. They weren't actually teaching me to memorize something, they were actually teaching me to learn something. And they didn't really care that I had the facts, facts right or wrong that I memorize the textbook, but they were teaching me how to learn. And I think that's what this story is about. Like he's teaching the kids like, okay, there's a way to do things in a way is not the humiliate people, and we can someone made a mistake, and we can help them learn from that mistake.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I mean, I, we started this with everyone learns differently. I think the hardest lesson I ever learned, I was, I would argue, may be humiliated. It was my first job and the first like year or two of it. And part of construction is you have to do a closeout documents, you have to put this binder together that basically says, here's all the information on the building we built for you in case you need anything. Here it is, and we had this. Good, what's conflicting, I can't think of the word confrontational relationship with the client. And they didn't want to pay and basically they're like, Oh, this isn't the letter of the contract. So we want to accept that you won't get final payment. It took me a year to get that thing closed out. And that was a very public, like I did it wrong. For the rest of my career in construction. I never messed up a closeout document again. And that was the most I learned from like, failing publicly. I think for me, failing publicly is the best way to learn. I would think you and I learned differently, but that's the hardest lesson, you know.


Larry

And that's, and we kind of mentioned that in the story, right? Who knows in that story, if they don't, if he doesn't publicly out someone, someone learns from, hey, if you do something wrong, you're going to get shamed in public and they would never do it again. Right.


Andrew Keller

Right. And then like the college admissions scandal, like of Lori Loughlin would have gone to jail would we think anything differently event and that's a whole different other discussion. But I mean, that guy, I can't remember the name right now that guy kept doing it. He did it. That's like one of my friends. She is 40. And she was saying, she's from Sacramento. And she remembers that guy coming to her high school and like her, like one of her friends got into Stanford because of him. So that went on for 20 years. He didn't learn his lesson till you get slapped in the face with the switch.


Larry

Capital. See creepy. I watched the that guy. I watched the documentary on him on Netflix. And I mean, like these mega successful ultra rich billionaire people. Like they had to have known that this dude was doing slimy things. Like it's not like they're like, like, he's like, your kid's gonna be on the crew team it like they're never my son doesn't even know what a boat. Like. You have to know that. Hey, you're doing something you're crossing the line here to get your kid into Stanford.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, Rick singer, who is not in jail. He struck a deal by giving up everyone's names and who it's interesting


Larry

yet. Yes, that's it. And the worst part is he is capital C creepy, and he goes scot free and everybody else is in jail. Lori Loughlin


Andrew Keller

and that means a lot coming from the park lurker like seriously. Hey, well, if you stole my watch, please give it back to me at repost a podcast on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. I'm Andrew Keller for the Coxon saying thanks for stopping by


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