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Hard times create strong men.


Andrew

This is re posted.


Andrew Keller

Every morning, Larry and I dig into a form or idea that has caught our eye. Our hope is that our chat inspires you to never stop thinking and possibly challenges you in a new way. If you'd like to help support the show, please visit patreon.com slash reposted. Thank you for stopping by. Well, I stole another thing from a interview I heard but this is a quote is from Michael health. He says hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times, create weak men and weak men create hard times basically saying this is a cyclical thing with different generations. And whatever generation you're in, is going to ultimately define how you are as far as toughness. I think it's definitely an interesting thing. And at first glance, I would agree with it in a macro term. But if I've learned anything from this show, you can't make sweeping statements about how people are going to react to things because hard times make strong men. Some people might rise to the occasion under great amounts of stress, and some people might crumble. So I don't think you can say this sweepingly. But do you consider yourself a hard man?


Larry

Well, so if we're gonna just talk sweeping, right? Are they sort of alluding to that world war two, those youngsters went off and fought the Germans, they came back, and they were strong men. And then they raised baby boomers who were kind of soft. So there's the conflicts of ideas there.


Andrew Keller

I think that's kind of what it's saying. Or also like, you're at war, and you're going through a hard time you're going through the depression, you're going through World War Two, or whatever, you come back, battle hardened. But if you have good times, I mean, think about more specifically, like if you grew the children of someone, Uber wealthy, like they're not going to necessarily have Moxie. Because if everything's handed to you, then there's the new, theoretically are weaker. So if you have good times, and there's no resistance to anything you do in your life, you're gonna be a little bit softer, which isn't always the case. I mean, Anderson Cooper grew up super wealthy. And then he was a Vanderbilt and became very successful with his own right. But there's countless countless examples of people who go crazy and just don't do anything with their life.


Larry

Yeah, and I think that anderson cooper idea, it's funny, you brought that up, I feel like what they instilled in him is work ethic, like you can be wealthy, but instill that idea that work hard for what you really believe in. And he like, loves journalism, so he worked hard at it. Oh, yeah. I


Andrew Keller

mean, you always try to instill that, but like, it's not necessarily gonna take his his brother committed suicide in front of his mom. Like, there's different ways. I mean, this isn't a show about Anderson Cooper. But like, you probably tell your kids something and like, instill in over the course of a year, like, this is what you need to do. And then one day, they're they're not doing it. So it's like you try to instill it, but at some point, it's out of your hands, I would think as the expert parent on this podcast.


Larry

Yeah. And once again, I feel like we're not the expert parent. I feel like we're just like, no, we're not overwhelmed. And we're not super poor. So we're like, right in the middle. So then is it like, how are we doing that job of like, being the average Joe's in this idea of working hard, right? If you work hard, you get right to the middle. I feel like that's what I'm sort of saying to my parents, if you weren't guarded, or kids, you regard enough you're just gonna be right in the middle of the rest of us.


Andrew Keller

Yeah. Which I mean, it's not either extreme hard, or necessarily good times. Good times, I guess is subjective. But yeah, I mean, just grinded, gets you somewhere.


Larry

This is a really sort of deep historical article. I really enjoyed it. It goes into talking about Caesar and him taking over the barbarians in Germany. And one of the ideas that I got to this is like, it's all about the narrative. Like Caesar was really great at this narrative of telling the Romans, oh, these barbarian, Germans, we overtook them. But it was like this soft tribe of people from France, that were the hard ones to defeat, but it was easy because he rallied the people behind it because they aren't barbarians. And it's always the narrative of how we give things like what's the narrative in your life that you're either telling yourself or telling your kids to get them to do something like that? Just the world war two the veterans that came home, they were able to look at the kids be like, Hey, man, how's it the battle the bulge I didn't have a blanket for 30 days. I didn't eat for Two days, like it's, that's the narrative that they can give to their kids. And you kind of look and see that the millennials went the opposite way. Not millennials, but the baby boomers were the opposite way. And my dad's too hard. I need more emotions.


Andrew Keller

Yeah, I like that. Caesar. Example because you say hard times don't make hard solar strong soldiers. Like it's not necessarily the situation you're in, it's more of the leader, you're behind can make a bigger difference of the idea, ideology that you're going to believe in. Like, right now there's the conflict with Hamas and Israel, and people are completely on board with what they're doing. And they both sides think they're completely right. And they have this rallying cry behind it ideology versus a hard circumstance, like living in Tel Aviv is not easy right now, like every Well, the ceasefire is happening. But last week, people were just going into their bomb shelters, I found out that after 2003, any new homes constructed in Tel Aviv had to have a core of a bombshell. So it's like, that's the norm there. And it's not necessarily making them hard people. I think maybe it's more of like, what do you get behind? And what can you put your faith in?


Larry

Yeah, and that narrative, right? Which side are you listening to? Right? Um, if you listen to the Israeli side, they're like, Hey, man, we got a gazillion Muslims that want to bomb the heck out of us. And if you're a Palestinian, you're like, Hey, man, we're under occupation. We can't even get water. And I think a master of this was Donald Trump, right? When he was president, when he would say like, oh, though, those people coming from South America, they want to rape you, they want to sell you drugs, that is pointing them out is all bad people, which by was the narrative, why you didn't want people to come to the border. But if you study why those people are refugees. That's not the case. They're coming. You're fleeing, like war and famine and bad people. Yeah, I


Andrew Keller

mean, it gets back to the point of like, you can't do sweeping strokes on different types of people. Because you could say, everyone that's coming to the United States is trying to be a criminal and profit on your loss. But like, if you sit down with one person, you're like, oh, they're and if you put a face to it, then it becomes more humane or more human. And you're less likely to have that. That crazy. I want to fight you. situation. Yeah, no. And I feel like we say this all the time about narrative, like if the narrative on social media is positive, you're only getting I mean, how deep Do you dig into the story of what someone is sharing with you on social media? Because you're only getting one side of it? And then you kind of take it personally when you haven't got the whole picture? Yeah, you get one side of it, and you get your confirmation bias. You're like, well, this is what I believe let me find what shores up this thought versus Let me listen to the opposing side. I mean, admittedly, sometimes I tried to listen to differing views and me and I'm like, I can't listen to this. These people are ludicrous. But I mean, it is a positive exercise to try to listen with earnest what the other house someone else got to that point.


Larry

Just in my life, personally, like hard times going through when my father passed away like 25 years ago now, it certainly gives you perspective on things. That's why I think hard times do they give you a little bit of perspective, so that you're a little more grounded with what really is important at what really is not important.


Andrew Keller

Yeah. Well, it's been soft times and if you want to get me octagon with Larry is pretty soft right now. You'll find us at repost a podcast on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. I'm Keller



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